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Old 11-04-2007, 10:20 PM
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I know I am going to get some growls for this but I think the scent blocker clothes and scent shield sprays are a gimmick. I keep all clothes and gear as clean as anyone and I shower before each hunt, use scent shield spray and wear the scent blocker clothes. I do all of this and deer still get down wind and bust me. No different than any time I don't use the SPECIAL $$$$$$ clothes and the SPECIAL $$$$$$ sprays. I think the bottom line is like its been for 200 hundred years ... HUNT THE WIND. As much effort and time as I have put in trying to deodorize myself and my gear I have come to the conclusion that you can't fool a deers nose....period. You still need to stay clean but hey I spent $$$$ on this stuff and tried it but I think this scent blocker stuff is a bunch of crap. I think others feel the same way but won't admit to it.
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Old 11-05-2007, 08:17 AM
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Agree.....but I don't think you should be surprised by this. To think that you can put on a pair of pants and a jacket and magicaly go scentless is ridiculous. What about the areas around the pant/coat waist and cuffs? This is not an air tight seal. If anything wouldnt the scent just escape in larger quantities through those areas. The product is designed to keep scent to a minimum. But its advertised as a super power.
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Old 11-05-2007, 09:51 AM
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Honestly I think that is a business that is soon to Implode. Between the lawsuit and internet comments, it is going to be more difficult to sell such a product. There is no way to mask the oil smell from guns, grease on limb pockets and all other foreign odors humans produce. If anything, the clothing could help suppress odor but not totally eliminate it.

I bank on the wind, period. Play the wind as best as possible and you will kill deer consistently. Does not matter what you smell like, play the wind.

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Old 11-05-2007, 10:07 AM
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Here's a test: Drink your morning coffee, then cup your hands over your mouth and nose and take a big whiff. Stinks right? Now brush with baking soda, rinse with listerene and brush again, repeatedly until you smell nothing. Now you have 1-2hrs of scent reduction (in addition to showering scent free, clean clothes etc.). Now when you "hunt the wind" and the infrequent but swirling gust takes your scent in a different direction then the prevailing wind, you go undetected while Mr. coffee breath next to you gets busted. Anyway, works for me.
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Old 11-05-2007, 11:35 AM
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Foodplotdude?
You mention a lawsuit.........explain. I'm unaware.
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Old 11-05-2007, 11:41 AM
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I believe the lawsuit is against Scent Blocker, but could be wrong. Google it.
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Old 11-05-2007, 12:17 PM
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Deer hunters know that if a whitetail's sensitive snout gets wind of human scent, it'll flee in alarm -- and the hunt is over.
That's why hunters, including 500,000 in Minnesota, spend millions of dollars each year buying special hunting clothing with activated carbon that promises to eliminate human odors.

Now that clothing, which has been on the market for about a dozen years and is sold by virtually every major outdoor retailer in the nation, is under fire.

A lawsuit filed Sept. 13 in U.S. District Court in Minneapolis alleges the clothing doesn't work and that hunters have been -- and continue to be -- defrauded.

The suit was filed against ALS Enterprises Inc. of Muskegon, Mich., which produces and licenses "Scent-Lok" clothing sold under that name and others, including ScentBlocker. The suit says the company is the largest maker of such clothing and licenses it to at least 22 others, including Gander Mountain Co., Cabela's Inc., Bass Pro Shops Inc. and Browning Arms Co. Those four firms also are named as defendants.

The suit alleges the five firms conspired to deceive consumers and suppressed and concealed the truth. "Consumers have been duped into spending significant amounts of money on a product that does not work as represented," the suit says.

A spokesman for Gander Mountain, the only Minnesota-based firm being sued, declined to comment. Mike Andrews, vice president of marketing for ALS, said the suit is without merit.

"We've done years of research ... we have hundreds of testimonials from consumers over the years," he said last week. "We know it works. And we're excited about the opportunity to prove to the world once and for all how effective our product is."

Added Andrews: "We have a written guarantee that says you'll experience unalarmed wild animals downwind. You don't build this kind of business on something that's not true."

The company says testing done for it by Intertek Testing Services in Cortland, N.Y., has shown its fabric performs as claimed. It also cites supportive studies by S. Holger Eichhorn of the University of Windsor in Ontario and Donald B. Thompson of North Carolina State University.

ALS is a privately held company, and Andrews wouldn't reveal sales figures, but some have estimated the activated carbon hunting clothing business may be worth $100 million annually.

Four men who bought the clothing -- Mike Buetow of Shakopee, Theodore Carlson of Edina, Gary Richardson Jr. of St. Paul and Joe Rohrbach of Shakopee -- are named as plaintiffs in the suit. But attorneys are seeking class-action status, meaning it would be argued on behalf of all those who bought the clothing. The suit says "tens of thousands" of Minnesota hunters have been deceived into buying millions of dollars of odor-eliminating clothing.

Buetow, a bow hunter, said he and the others can't comment on the case on the advice of attorneys. He said he bought $1,000 worth of Scent-Lok gear -- including pants, coats, face masks, hats and gloves -- in 2003.

The lawsuit is just the latest salvo fired at ALS and its sellers. The question of whether the company's clothing works as claimed has been the topic of Internet chat rooms for about the past year.

And a Minnesotan -- T.R. Michels, 57, of Burnsville, an outdoor writer, author, hunting guide and frequent hunting seminar speaker who has his own website (www.trmichels.com) -- acknowledges he is responsible for raising much of the stink.

"Hunters have been screwed," he said. "They have been misled. And they [companies] are making tons of money off the stuff."

He said he has no ax to grind and began looking at the clothing because his job as a writer and outdoor expert is to "look into myths and dispell them."

Said Michels: "I was lied to, and that really ticked me off."

He is not involved in the lawsuit, and won't be because, while he has used Scent-Lok clothing, he's never purchased it, he said. However, Michels has questioned the performance of the clothing with the U.S. Patent Office and has posted numerous exchanges he's had with the company on his website and others.

He said outdoor magazines won't write about the issue for fear of losing lucrative advertising dollars for the hunting clothing, and that he has lost freelance work because of his stance.

Everyone claims science is on their side.

ALS has created a new section on the company's website (www.scentlok.com) to explain how the activated carbon adsorbs human odors. (Adsorption is the adhesion of the gas or liquid molecules to the surfaces of solids.) Andrews said independent experts have verified the company's findings.

"It does work as described," Andrews said. "Unfortunately some people refuse to look at the data we've provided."

No one disputes that activated carbon adsorbs odors. But even ALS acknowledges the carbon can become saturated with odors. Andrews says the company's clothing can be "regenerated" or "reactivated" many times by putting it in a regular household dryer for 45 minutes. Then it's ready to adsorb more odors.

"We know that even after several years of use, it still has enough adsorption capacity to overcome big game animals' [scenting ability]," Andrews said.

But the lawsuit and Michels dispute that.

The suit says that dryer temperatures never exceed 150 degrees, but temperatures in excess of 800 degrees are needed to reactivate the carbon, and even then it wouldn't be restored to full adsorptive capacity.

The suit doesn't cite any independent testing done on the clothing that shows it doesn't work.

"Defendants knew or should have known that their odor-eliminating clothing cannot, as a matter of science, eliminate all human odors ... or render a human body scent-invisible to a deer or other game animals," the suit states.

The suit says that had hunters known that the clothing doesn't eliminate all human odors and cannot be regenerated in household dryers, they wouldn't have bought it.

The suit also claims the defendants violated the Minnesota Consumer Fraud Act, the Minnesota Uniform Deceptive Trade Practices Act, the Minnesota Unlawful Trade Practices Act and involved civil conspiracy.

Andrews said ALS will vigorously fight the suit.
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Old 11-05-2007, 12:41 PM
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I've used "Scent Killer" and "Scent Away Fresh Earth" and found the fresh earth stuff to really smell like wet ground. The Scent Killer tends to build a stale smell over time. I use it on my boots (rubber) to prevent a scent transfer and sometimes drag a scent behind. I've watched a couple follow the drag line like they're tied to it so I do believe it can help on rubber boots, on decoys and cameras. I think it can also help to "mask" scent on some clothing for a short period, especially if layered. But even the skin on your face gives off some scent.

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You're not going to kill 100% of human scent, the best you can hope for is a little masking and maybe on rubber boots and items that don't touch your body once sprayed.

I wasn't thinking yesterday when I tied my sent drag to the bottom of my stand so I wouldn't lose it. Young buck walked down the scent trail on a rope then got to the stand and looked straight up at the drag hanging under me. I had pulled by face mask over my head when I saw him on the way. He knew something wasn't right and kept on going.
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Old 11-05-2007, 04:17 PM
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I use scentblocker clothing and I swear by it. It doesnt eliminate 100% of scent, nothing will. However, since I started using it, I Very rarly get busted by deer down wind. In fact the 10 pointer I killed this year came in DIRECTLY down wind from me. Keep in mind I also wash all my "under cloths" in scent shield no scent soap and the towel I use to dry off after my shower. I spray inside the dryer with pleanty of Fall Blend Scent Killer and set on high heat for 20 minutes to eliminate any scent in the dryer. In the shower I use Dead Down Wind body soap. 3 times during the hunting season I will wash all my under clothes again, or more if i get real sweaty on a hunt. Scent blocker and all the other products I swear work....to a point. I think if used properly, it will eleiminate 90% of odor. This will help alot with weather the deer gets a good wiff or simply smells something odd. Its similer to my dog pheasent hunting, I can tell when he is on an old trail of a pheasent, he's a little excited, but not goin nuts, like on a fresh track. Same deal for a deer, even if they smell a small amount of scent, they most likely will not freak and bolt, they may just chalk it up to and odd scent and keep doin what they were doin. I have had at least 20 deer down wind of me this year, not 1 has even looked up or raised it's nose.
Just as a side note, I dont hang my ScentBlocker clothing outside either, I only put it in the dryer on high heat for an hour, 2 times during the season. Then they are kept in a plastic bag.
I also use ScentBlocker gloves and hood/cap, which are VERY important not to forget in my opinion.

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Old 11-05-2007, 04:48 PM
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I bought my first scent blocker suit about 5 years ago. It faded out and I just spent another $270 and updated. I can honestly say that since I have been using scent blocker I have not(knowingly) been winded by a deer more than 2 or 3 times. I don't remember any, but I am sure in 5 years there been a couple. I first went to scent blocker when I noticed I was getting winded a lot. It is hard for me to play the wind like everyone says for two reasons. First, the deer never come from the same place. I see deer come from every direction almost every time i'm in the stand. ???, maybe bad stand placement. That brings me to my second point, I don't have a lot of stand options on my property. I have stands placed on small tree lines and I hunt the spots that seem to be the "hottest" regardless of wind. I know, I know, you are never supposed to hunt a stand if the wind isn't perfect. So far it has not been a problem. I think it may have a little to do with pressure. The only hunting pressure on our 600 acres is me and I think that also makes a difference. Regardless of the outcome of this lawsuit, I will always be a believer.
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